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Post by relativestranger on Apr 1, 2006 8:05:32 GMT -5
ok, i would like to know where in the bible it says being gay is wrong. Because i have read mine and it does NOT say that anywhere. To be honest in the afrikaans version of the bible it does say that but it is because of a mistranslation from latin. If someone can quote me chapter and verse then maybe i have missed it but i cannot find it. Also if you are following the exact letter of the bibles teachings then you should not have sex with anyone OF ANY GENDER unless you are trying to concieve, which technically does mean gay people should not have intercourse but does not mean they should not be gay.
So in summary please give me the chapter verse you are basing these thoughts on as i cannot find it.
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Post by Betty on Apr 1, 2006 9:00:51 GMT -5
Romans:
21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
This is one and there are more.
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Post by relativestranger on Apr 1, 2006 9:03:19 GMT -5
Ok got my bible here, that is not there. I promise. Three of those verses are simply not there.
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Post by Betty on Apr 1, 2006 9:08:41 GMT -5
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Post by relativestranger on Apr 1, 2006 9:10:25 GMT -5
Also that does not say gay is wrong, it just suggests it is less, like a punishment for not believing in God.
'28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
Showing that to do another man is inconveniant, i.e easier to go with a woman. I don not believe this shows it is wrong.
'24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
Although i suppose it suggests to be gay is to dishonour yourself, but not to dishonour God. It seems that before you are gay you have to already turn from God.
26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
It is wierd that all this is in Romans as the Romans themselves, along with all other prominent nations, looked upon homesexuality in the same way they would say, 'he has blonde hair'.
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Post by relativestranger on Apr 1, 2006 9:14:26 GMT -5
idk, gideons new testament, it stops at 20
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Post by Betty on Apr 1, 2006 9:23:39 GMT -5
Leviticus 18:
22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination
If you want it from the OT
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Post by relativestranger on Apr 1, 2006 9:32:18 GMT -5
Fair enough, i did miss it obviously. I still stand by the belief that it is not sin to be gay, merely to have carnal relations with someone of the same gender, as this would not be for conception, also now it is this that is an abomination. Good quote that one.
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Post by Betty on Apr 1, 2006 9:34:33 GMT -5
I will agree with you totally on that one.
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Post by relativestranger on Apr 1, 2006 9:43:28 GMT -5
Therefore it follows that gay marriage(EVEN IF IT HAS TO BE NON RELIGIOUS) is fine as long as they do not consumate that said marriage
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Post by Betty on Apr 1, 2006 9:52:05 GMT -5
I will agree but why would two people get married in the first place if they did not intend to consumate? Also though I must add I think it would be very bad for any child brought into that kind of relationship (ae through adoption) for several reasons. I really do not think the two people involved is such a relationship would be happy either.
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Post by relativestranger on Apr 1, 2006 9:57:15 GMT -5
Well obviously you are entitled to that opinion.
There are two reasons i can think of why people may want to get married other than to have sexual relations
1) It is easier to adopt if you are a legal couple, i know you don't believe that a child can be brought up properly in that circumstance but.. well im not going to judge that having had a male and female parent and that went really well.(sarcasm)
2) Inheritance laws, if one of them dies and they are not married it is much harder to prove that the house for example should automatically revert to the other if they are not married and in fact a mortgage taken out in two unmarried peoples names (in british law) pays higher tax if one dies
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Post by Betty on Apr 1, 2006 10:00:21 GMT -5
I am adopted is the main reason I have such strong opinions on that one.
I can see where you are coming from on the inheritance laws
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