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Post by relativestranger on Mar 8, 2007 21:00:05 GMT -5
Relativestranger, please settle down, we are not attacking you and I apologize if you feel offended by what I say. The truth is though that the Bible does say that thoughts are just as bad as the actual act. That is not my opinion, it is what Jesus taught. " For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, 27and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error." - Romans 1:26-27 But notice also that Jesus said by simply looking at someone with lust, you have commited adultry: " You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery’; 28 but I say to you, that everyone who looks on a woman to lust for her has committed adultery with her already in his heart. - Matthew 5:27 It mentions woman yes, but it is also said that homosexuality is wrong, and that having desire alone toward someone of the same sex is lust. So simply by seeing someone of the same sex in an attractive manner, the Bible says it defiles who you are. It is sin. there is no we it is just you--point one there is no point in me refuting this as rsf did it so much more eloquently then me about two posts ago--point two and i am already very aware of these quotes as they were shown to me by a friend on here to demonstrate that homosexuality was considered a sin unto God--point 3 also i am perfectly calm, i am not an emotional person, i just hate to see blind stupidity and arrogant elitism in religion |
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Post by solitarysoul on Mar 9, 2007 0:59:48 GMT -5
Yet you have yet to indicate where I am being "blindly stupid" lol. All I am doing is quoting the Bible. I spend the majority of my free time in study, research, and meditation on the Word, and other writings. I only say what I know to be true and what I can back up with many sources. I'm sorry if you feel different or offended by my "view", but the fact that you may not see things in the same light does not make it untrue, nor does it at all make it stupid or arrogant. I am not meaning to be rude, but all I have been doing is explaining the Word and writing other information which I have all gotten from many other sources as well. With much respect, I am not the one making opinionated comments. There is nothing I have done to attack you personally. Again I apologize if I have offended you or upset you, that was never my intention. But the fact remains that I am simply sharing truth and evidence here, which I can start documenting to a point of which would make the thread very colorful and tacky (tho I'd prefer not too because it would take forever) if I must. If there is anything I am attacking it is the view, not the person. I am not saying you are "wrong" or a bad person or anything for having the views you do. I think it's great that you accept people for the way they are. But the fact stands that that view is not in line with what Jesus taught, and that is what is most important here, following Jesus.
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Post by relativestranger on Mar 9, 2007 7:10:35 GMT -5
Yet you have yet to indicate where I am being "blindly stupid" lol. All I am doing is quoting the Bible. I spend the majority of my free time in study, research, and meditation on the Word, and other writings. I only say what I know to be true and what I can back up with many sources. I'm sorry if you feel different or offended by my "view", but the fact that you may not see things in the same light does not make it untrue, nor does it at all make it stupid or arrogant. I am not meaning to be rude, but all I have been doing is explaining the Word and writing other information which I have all gotten from many other sources as well. With much respect, I am not the one making opinionated comments. There is nothing I have done to attack you personally. Again I apologize if I have offended you or upset you, that was never my intention. But the fact remains that I am simply sharing truth and evidence here, which I can start documenting to a point of which would make the thread very colorful and tacky (tho I'd prefer not too because it would take forever) if I must. If there is anything I am attacking it is the view, not the person. I am not saying you are "wrong" or a bad person or anything for having the views you do. I think it's great that you accept people for the way they are. But the fact stands that that view is not in line with what Jesus taught, and that is what is most important here, following Jesus. there a few points here that are contrary to common sense, ok stupid was an untrue word, but you answered the blindly bit in the same sentance you asked. arrogance is thinking you are backing it upwith quotes because you interpreted them that way. i hope you did read rsf piece as tbh he/she has slightly changed my view on the subject with what was a very insightful explanation of how Christians should think, as it supported the bible whilst remaing completely unprejudiced, you can't say you are following the biblke and be prejudiced. it is arrogant and elitist and tbh you are throwing the first stone many sources, or one amplified by many? _______________________________________________________ EDIT: Sorry! I accidently hit "modify" instead of "quote" LOL, I didn't mean to put the edited by me at the bottom ... just ignore me   |
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Post by solitarysoul on Mar 9, 2007 13:19:22 GMT -5
Yet you have yet to indicate where I am being "blindly stupid" lol. All I am doing is quoting the Bible. I spend the majority of my free time in study, research, and meditation on the Word, and other writings. I only say what I know to be true and what I can back up with many sources. I'm sorry if you feel different or offended by my "view", but the fact that you may not see things in the same light does not make it untrue, nor does it at all make it stupid or arrogant. I am not meaning to be rude, but all I have been doing is explaining the Word and writing other information which I have all gotten from many other sources as well. With much respect, I am not the one making opinionated comments. There is nothing I have done to attack you personally. Again I apologize if I have offended you or upset you, that was never my intention. But the fact remains that I am simply sharing truth and evidence here, which I can start documenting to a point of which would make the thread very colorful and tacky (tho I'd prefer not too because it would take forever) if I must. If there is anything I am attacking it is the view, not the person. I am not saying you are "wrong" or a bad person or anything for having the views you do. I think it's great that you accept people for the way they are. But the fact stands that that view is not in line with what Jesus taught, and that is what is most important here, following Jesus. there a few points here that are contrary to common sense, ok stupid was an untrue word, but you answered the blindly bit in the same sentance you asked. arrogance is thinking you are backing it upwith quotes because you interpreted them that way. i hope you did read rsf piece as tbh he/she has slightly changed my view on the subject with what was a very insightful explanation of how Christians should think, as it supported the bible whilst remaing completely unprejudiced, you can't say you are following the biblke and be prejudiced. it is arrogant and elitist and tbh you are throwing the first stone many sources, or one amplified by many? You continue to make claims, yet I still have yet to see you back them up. Let's not avoid the subject here  . I am not making any personal comments about you, I am simply defending those made about me, so once again, I do apologize if anything I said is offensive, I do not mean for it to be  . I know for a fact the Bible is true. I am not arrogant for saying that. Let's say for example you know for a fact that an autobiography about a certain person is true, but let's say I believed it wasn't. The fact that I simply have a difference in belief does not mean that you would be arrogant in saying that that autobiography is true, if you have honestly done the research to indicate that it is in fact true. And yes, many sources, both secular and religious. |
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Post by relativestranger on Mar 9, 2007 20:12:24 GMT -5
no you can say the bible is true but we are back to a difference in interpretation, if you cant see that the way you read the bible is not infallible then tbh, actually already i dont feel that there is any point in continuing to talk to you as you think that ghandi is in hell and you think that he deserves it..
good day sir
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Post by solitarysoul on Mar 10, 2007 5:12:32 GMT -5
You're jumping to conclusions, and be sure to read my other posts about Ghandi and interpreting the Bible.
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Post by relativestranger on Mar 11, 2007 20:02:51 GMT -5
i did, and not attacking you but
you are arrogant, you fail to see a good argument and comment on the argument but instead comment on predertermined thoughts, you cannot debate for toffee
a debate has to change with new evidence or opinions, yours does not. at all
you have your opinion anf you are so sure it is right you refuse to accept anything else to be possible, hence my refusal to take this paticualr debate any further
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Post by solitarysoul on Mar 12, 2007 16:52:29 GMT -5
You are making no sense. I have done nothing but post many valid points about the questions raised, and all you have done is ridicule them and comment negatively, without any logical responce yourself. You are doing nothing but looking for a reason to disagree with everything I say. No offence meant, but if either of us is arrogant, it obviously isn't me. You keep making all these claims about arrogance and not debating, yet, you are the only one falling into this own criteria of yours. I have yet to see one convincing point you've made backed up by evidence or even logic to suggest anything I've said is not true. If you'll state such I'll be happy to give my responce, but calling me names and just looking for something to disagree with is not debating, it's childish behavior. I do recommend you drop the issue now as all 4 of these posts have been derailed as a result and clearly no matter what is said, you are just going to look for something to disagree with still, regardless of who may be right or wrong. Also I may have been lenient until now but I do not appreciate the manner in which you've been replying to me. You need to stop with the accusing and name calling please. Thanks so much
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Post by relativestranger on Mar 13, 2007 5:46:17 GMT -5
You are making no sense. I have done nothing but post many valid points about the questions raised, and all you have done is ridicule them and comment negatively, without any logical responce yourself. You are doing nothing but looking for a reason to disagree with everything I say. No offence meant, but if either of us is arrogant, it obviously isn't me. You keep making all these claims about arrogance and not debating, yet, you are the only one falling into this own criteria of yours. I have yet to see one convincing point you've made backed up by evidence or even logic to suggest anything I've said is not true. If you'll state such I'll be happy to give my responce, but calling me names and just looking for something to disagree with is not debating, it's childish behavior. I do recommend you drop the issue now as all 4 of these posts have been derailed as a result and clearly no matter what is said, you are just going to look for something to disagree with still, regardless of who may be right or wrong. Also I may have been lenient until now but I do not appreciate the manner in which you've been replying to me. You need to stop with the accusing and name calling please. Thanks so much twice |
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Post by Betty on Mar 13, 2007 10:38:05 GMT -5
 I don't like anyone insulting person for any reason. Keep the debate to statements made.
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