Catholics decided bible is wrong!

[Andy]

THE hierarchy of the Roman Catholic Church has published a teaching document instructing the faithful that some parts of the Bible are not actually true.

The Catholic bishops of England, Wales and Scotland are warning their five million worshippers, as well as any others drawn to the study of scripture, that they should not expect “total accuracy” from the Bible.

“We should not expect to find in Scripture full scientific accuracy or complete historical precision,” they say in The Gift of Scripture.

The document is timely, coming as it does amid the rise of the religious Right, in particular in the US.

Some Christians want a literal interpretation of the story of creation, as told in Genesis, taught alongside Darwin’s theory of evolution in schools, believing “intelligent design” to be an equally plausible theory of how the world began.

But the first 11 chapters of Genesis, in which two different and at times conflicting stories of creation are told, are among those that this country’s Catholic bishops insist cannot be “historical”. At most, they say, they may contain “historical traces”.

Souce - www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,13509-1811332,00.html

This is an Outrage, no wonder there is confusion in the Christian faith, becuase people who 'claim' to be Christian decided to ignore Gods word!

God would not let lies be put in his bible, and as Christians we should believe Gods word. What gives the RC the right to anounce its wrong!

Thoughs that ignore Gods word need to think seriously about their faith!

[Philly Morgana]

if there are 2 things in there contradicting each other then you can see why both cant be fact if you understand what i mean. im not agreeing or anything but if something is to be taught in a scientific way it can't have contradictions

[Betty]

I believe the Bible is the inspired word of God HImself. I believe He knows every word that is there, what ever translation you happen to read, and that is what He expects you to live by. Science has always contridicted it's self. They have theorys that have to be proven. The whole essence of the Bible is the just live by faith not proven theory.

[Philly Morgana]

yes but with science if there is a contradiction people will seperate them and evaluate the most probably outcome. of course science contradicts its self because it is forvever changing as we find new things. the bible isn't it is one and it is set. it shouldn't contradict or people will get confused and idiots will parade of saying its bad

[dorey]

wait.. i thought jesus wrote the bible.. i'm so confused. this is so confusing

[Betty]

The Bible is God’s inspired word. He used humans to write it. God has chosen to work through people. The words are Gods. Humans want question everything. Satan wants you to be confused. God knows every word that is in His holy book. People spend too much time reading what people write and too little time in what God has written (The Bible). I do read what people write but I don’t buy into everything. Base everything you read on what is in the Bible and you will know the truth. If the truth is really what you want to know.

[relativestranger]

In the koran the muslims believe that you can only read what is written correctly if you read it in its original language as only then can the true 'pure' meaning be unveiled. I believe a similar thing is true of the bible and to get the true meaning should only be taken from the latin version. If you take everything literally from other translations then you are going to be fighting for something that a scribe copied wrong.

A good example of this is cinderellas slipper, in the modern story cinderella has a glass slipper, now why is it glass who would have a glass slipper. It is because in the 15th century a french author was rewriting the story and wrote one word wrong, instead of writing veare(fur/leather) he wrote verre(glass) thus changing the story forever. Now truly you must believe God is infallible but his messengers on earth are not and i believe that such a mistake could have been made in the translation of the bible

[Betty]

Why did you pick Latin then? Why not Greek and Hebrew if you want the original translation.

[relativestranger]

As the original bible was collected by Emperor Constatine in 200 AD and was written in latin. Its true that at this stage a few of the books will have been translated from hebrew but many were also left out altogether and this shows that, if you believe it, that these are the books that God wanted to show and this is the way they should be portrayed. I pick latin as the first bible was written in latin.

[relativestranger]

I write if u believe as i refuse to believe everyone reading does and do not like to push beliefs down peoples throats

[Betty]

I do believe that the Holy Bible is the word of God. I believe that everything in this universes was made by Him. I also believe that a God who can create something as beautiful as a flower and as complex as a human has the abiblity to control what goes into the only book that we have that leads us to Him. I also believe that God will "judge" a person by his Bible (what ever version) as to wheather or not he obeys what is written there by faith.

[relativestranger]

I'm sorry but that i cannot believe for fear of squashing any faith i have in a higher being. If God can say exactly what goes in a book down to making sure there are no errors in translation and the human He is using becomes infallible just for the time in making the book, evry time the book is made, then why is there any suffering for any christians in the world. The only way for this to work is to believe God <b>could</b> do this but only in allowing us to make our own mistakes can we be truly enlightened. And no i don't believe God would disallow someone access to heaven if they stringently followed guidelines they believed to be the word of God( without harming others, of course) which were in fact not the exact word of God but a mistranslation. In fact I believe God would reward anyone of any religion if they did the right thing and it matters not what they believe in. As C.S Lewis writes 'and aslan said"no my child you shall not be punished, for any good done in his name is glory to me, the same as any bad done in mine is glory to him"'

[Betty]

Jesus said "No man can come to the Father except through Me." It is by faith we are justified. The entire OT lead to Christ. It told many times of the Christ to come. I believe you must come to trust Christ as you savior first. I also believe that the Holy Spirit will convict you if you are wrong in some point that would pertain to salvation. That is, If you have accepted Christ as your savior and have recieved the Holy Sprit.

[relativestranger]

So which branch of christianity is correct, they often disagree with each other. I have often thought that that line said by Jesus has caused more religious wars than the rest of the bible put together.

'I also believe that the Holy Spirit will convict you if you are wrong in some point that would pertain to salvation'

So do I, the important bit being pertain to your salvation, i.e if you misinterpret something but in doing so cause no pain to anyone else, that does not effect your salvation.

And the entire OT does lead to Jesus, but that was what it was designed to do. The entire torah does NOT lead to a saviour coming except at the end of days

[Betty]

I would like to reread my Jewish friends Bible before I comment on the Torah.

as for the first part of the post. I truly believe that God judges what is in your heart. Jesus is the way to forgivness because He was the one who was willing to die for us. He gave His life so that other may live. He was the unblemished lamb.

[relativestranger]

i would like u to submit a topic for me as i feel it would be interesting to get urs and others views on this point


In the koran it say, and im not quoting directly, and Allah said to Mohamed i sent them my prophet Jesus and it created more wars between the isrealites and the followers of the prophet Jesus, now you must unite these two and bring peace and ultimate glory to all those that follow the one true Allah(God)

[Betty]

How do you want me to word the thread? Register here and you may start your own threads.

[relativestranger]

And sorry in reply to ur post, to me believing in Jesus is not the way to forgiveness, following the teachings of Jesus is. GWB believes in Jesus, yet does not follow his teachings such as turn the other cheek. Do you believe since GWB is a christian he is enlightened enough to go to heaven

[Betty]

I will agree with you completely, first you must believe in Him to follow His teachings. Then you must obey the teachings to the best of your ability. You must also ask for forgiveness in order to recieve it.

[relativestranger]

You do not have to believe in order to follow His teachings, in fact i followed them for six years before i even really knew what they were. (i was baptised by my gran, and not really taught any religion specifically until she came back from teaching abroad)