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Post by Cursed Gift on Oct 14, 2008 18:45:49 GMT -5
Okay, I have my answer but I just what to know what do you think you guys think about Hell?
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Post by Betty on Oct 15, 2008 19:26:44 GMT -5
What we call 'hell" the Bible calls the lake of fire. It says there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. It is also called the utter darkeness. It is a place that was made for satan and his angels. It was not made for man but those who choose to follow satan instead of Christ will be there also.
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Post by Cursed Gift on Oct 16, 2008 14:53:22 GMT -5
Okay, now I guess we can bash on this concept here instead of on DA.  I once believe that also but as time goes on not so much anymore. If God is truly a God of love & mercy as He say He is then... is He really capable of doing that? I do believe that they will be wipe out that for sure but I dont believe in an eternal torment to live & burn & indulge in their own suffering by means of what describe. God has to be WAY WAY better than that! The Bible teaches to love thy enemies right & those are His word which would mean that he bound by that concept, right? With that said even with all the evil doing that Satan has cause... God must show him some compassion & so he would just simply vanquish him along with those who are wicked off the spot instead of this so called "Hell" where all the unimaginable occurs means of torture occurs. If God is pure then he wouldnt engage in act that is as twisted as that... Satan might, but God absolutely not! I think that it was taken out of context & that we've taken it as being too literal thus greatly exaggerating the concept. Lets not forget the power of fear & that churches back in the day uses the concept of Hell in hopes of scaring people straight. I also would like to point out that quite a bit of the Bible was written using a deal of symbolism & has a 2nd meaning. I think that the fire is a symbol of what is use for complete annihilation. I also feel that "Hell" doesnt truly exist as a fiery place but exist simply as a term opposite of heaven. I think that "Hell" itself is the state of eternal death & never getting to the chance to either see nor inherit God's Kingdom! *Anyways I pose my thoughts... its up to you guys to decide whether to believe it or not. |
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Post by Betty on Oct 16, 2008 17:34:11 GMT -5
Luke 16
19There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day:
20And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores,
21And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores.
22And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;
23And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
24And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.
25But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.
26And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.
27Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house:
28For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment.
29Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.
30And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.
31And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.
God is a God of love yes but He hates sin. If a person reject him and chooses to serve satan then He is left with no choice. He gives us free will to choose Him or reject Him
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Post by Cursed Gift on Oct 17, 2008 21:04:13 GMT -5
Hell (a.k.a Sheol / Hades) a place of inactivity Psalms 6:5 - For in death there is no mention of you; In She'ol who will laud you Ecclesiastes 9:10 - All that your hand finds to do, do with your very power, for there is no work nor devising nor knowledge nor wisdom in She'ol, the place to which you are going. *I also like to point out that Jesus rises from his grave, hell!* Acts 2:27, 31, 32 - (Peter's speech) 27 because you will not leave my soul in Hades, neither will you allow your loyal one to see corruption. 31 he saw beforehand & spoke concerning the resurrection of the Christ, that neither was he forsaken in Hades nor did his flesh see corruption. 32 This Jesus God resurrected, of which fact we are all witnesses. --------------------------- *Death is the opposite of life & God's promise/reward is everlasting life for those who follow him faithfully. So itll make sense that death is the eternal torment.* Death is the "eternal torture" from God's paradise, Fire symbolism of annihilation Matthew 25:41, 46 - 41 "then he will say, in turn, to those on his left, 'Be on YOUR way from me, YOU who have been cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the Devil & his angels. 46 And these will depart into everlasting cutting-off, but the righteous ones into everlasting life. Hebrew 10:26,27 26 For if we practice sin willfully after having received the accurate knowledge of the truth, there is no longer any sacrifice for sins left, 27 but [there is] a certain fearful expectation of judgment & [there is] a fiery jealousy that is going to consume those in opposition. Revelation 20:10, 14, 15 10 And the Devil who was misleading them was hurled into the lake of fire & sulphur, where both the wild beast & the false prophet [already were]; & they will be tormented day & night forever & ever 14 And death & Hades were hurled into the lake of fire. This means the second death, the lake of fire. 15 Furthermore, whoever was not found written in the book of life was hurled into the lake of fire. (Yeah... what do you say to that, Betty! Huh? IM just kidding around!  |
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Post by av on Oct 21, 2008 13:18:27 GMT -5
If you read the scriptures you will see that Christ preached on hell more than He did on Heaven.
The argument that God wouldn't send anyone to hell because He is a God of love has some problems, especially when you look at what the Bible says concerning hell.
Hell is eternal separation from God, in a place called the lake of fire.
Cursed Gift, I am not sure what you think about sin. But if you look at sin, you can understand why God has to send someone to hell if they do not have Jesus Christ as their Savior. Sin is unholiness. Its the bad things that we do. Every time we fall short of God's perfect requirement we sin. We sin all the time, in fact we cannot help but sinning. If God were able to let sin go unpunished it would make God un-just. This is important because, Hell is not a matter of not Loving someone ( God loved the World, that is why He sent His Son ) it is a matter of Justice. Because God is Holy, and Hates Sin ( because it is everything evil and against His nature ) He must send the un-believer to a place called hell.
The whole purpose for Christ coming to earth is to save us from eternal separation from God. If there is no hell. There is no need for Christ.
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Post by Cursed Gift on Oct 21, 2008 18:41:33 GMT -5
K... let straighten this out! I think youve misconstrue it.
Sin is an act that God doesnt approve! In the Bible it says the wages of sin is DEATH! Im just saying that death is the eternal torment that occurs. The fire is metaphoric in my opinion... the fire is the feeling of the guilt / darkness that occurs within us that acts like a poison. Its slowly consumes & if it isnt control properly it will continue to spread & annihilate its surrounding.
Im saying that God still have a bit of love for the wicked just enough that he wouldnt engage himself in a cruel & eternal torture that we many envision! What Im saying is that there is a hell exist but hell isnt what we think! Its a place of complete inactivity! God punishes the wicked with death & through the death there is the so called "eternal torment" because they will never get to inherit everlasting life, his kingdom, nor the pleasures that arises from his paradise. In hell there isnt anything no memories... nothing. THERE ISNT A SPIRIT ALIVE TO WITNESS ANYTHING HAPPENING TO THEM BECAUSE THEYRE COMPLETELY DESTORYED AS IF INCINERATED!
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Post by Betty on Oct 22, 2008 11:17:29 GMT -5
I think that Luke 16 proves that we do have a body, that there is true everlasting torment, that we can see, feel, think, hear, and regret what we did in this life. I don't think the "lake of fire" is metaphoric. It is a place that was created by God for satan and his minions. Look at all the passages of what Jesus endured during His trial and the cross. Jesus paid the penalty for our sins. If we will not accept the payment He made for us then we will have to pay them ourselves.
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Post by Cursed Gift on Oct 23, 2008 9:03:15 GMT -5
I guess we'll just gonna have to wait & see, wont we!  |
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Post by Betty on Oct 23, 2008 9:50:06 GMT -5
That is one place I don't have to see. I trust Jesus. He said there would be weeping and gnashing of teeth there and I am very glad that I don't have to face that prospect. |
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Post by relativestranger on Jul 30, 2009 13:05:12 GMT -5
Personally I beleive that it is about acceptance. Since during life we can be absolved of sins by confessing and above all repenting them and suffereing penance why would this be taken away the second we die. I believe that such a place as Hell exists but people who go there are the ones who do not repent, who are happy with the sins they commited and do not repent at all. That someone who when showed their sins wishes to show penance will be given their wish and when they then feel themselves to be recovered and truly believe that they have paid for their sins they would be welcomed back into the fold. Of course only someone who truly repents will know how lnog and to what extent their penance should last
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Post by witnessofjesus on Oct 5, 2015 14:14:55 GMT -5
contrary to popular false doctrines of christianity, the Lake of fire is NOT the same thing as hell. Hell is a spiritual ream that is described as spirit prison, or spirit "sheol" jonah defined sheol as a spiritual place and in hebrew sheol could be the grave or it could be spirit prison as described in Peter 3:18-20 and 4:6
the reason the Lake of fire is not hell, is because its called the 2nd death, and literally it was meant for for the death of the resurrected body but only for those that are sons of perdition and the resurrection of the d**ned. it was prepared for the DEVIL not for the children of God. those that accept Christ and who have their names written in the Lambs book of life will not be harmed. which is like saying even christians and believers go through the lake of fire, but if they are saved by christ, they will go through this for ten days. those that have faith at the other side will be saved. its a test.
then there is outer darkness, its not the same thing as hell, because it can be two different destinations. it could be a physical kingdom after the millenium, like an inheritance that are saved by Christ, but are not worthy of the direct presense of God. or it could be a total spiritual realm where only the spiritual wicked go, that suffered the second death. aiui.
the fact that preachers teach there is only a heaven and hell and that they are mistaken proves that they are not true teachers of the word of God. they are more like heretics IMO
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I once believe that also but as time goes on not so much anymore. 
